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What about the Pope? [Oct. 8th, 2008|02:51 pm]
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[johnmunch]
This may be a moot point since the ascension of Joseph Kardinal Ratzinger to the Holy Seat as Pope Benedict XVI since he bears no resemblance at all to Pope John Paul II. And I know that I have stated differently in a previous thread. But ...

Gene Greytak played Pope John Paul II on - at least - ALF, Ally McBeal, Golden Girls, Picket Fences, SISTER ACT, The Wayans Brothers and numerous others, no doubt. Sometimes credited, sometimes un.

Would he count as a crossover link?

And which shows are missing from the above list?
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From: (Anonymous)
2008-10-14 03:36 pm (UTC)

good idea

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I considered adding him to my own list, which is now over 360, however by now the only show that he would add for me is the Wayans Bros

Other shows he appeared on as the pope were Night Court, Just the 10 of Us, and Murphy Brown,

He also appeared in several other movies including Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult which was a continuation of Police Squad

If i were you I would add them

RAF
From: (Anonymous)
2008-10-22 05:37 pm (UTC)

Re: good idea

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Gene Greytak was also the Pope in an ad for Father Dowling Mysteries when it first aired on NBC.

Hugh
From: (Anonymous)
2010-01-27 05:34 pm (UTC)

Re: good idea

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Gene Greytak also portrayed the Pope in episode 20 of Everybody Loves Raymond
From: tele_toby
2010-03-03 09:23 am (UTC)

Re: good idea

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LA Times is reporting today that Gene Greytak has passed away at the age of 89. Back in 2009, the "TV Crossover Hall of Fame" at my blog Inner Toob inducted him as the official televersion of Pope John Paul II.

http://toobworld.blogspot.com/2009/03/tvxohof-032009-b-john-paul-ii.html
From: johnmunch
2008-10-15 02:19 pm (UTC)

An aside: Somebody copy this?

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It looks like someone is on the same track we are on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lady_Aleena/Television/Crossovers

WTF ...?
From: (Anonymous)
2011-03-28 02:47 am (UTC)

Re: An aside: Somebody copy this?

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The idiots of Wikipedia got it deleted, just fyi. I hope someone copied it and gave Lady Aleena credit.
From: (Anonymous)
2008-10-19 12:44 am (UTC)

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Eli Stone, if not already in your grid, now belongs there.

Alias' Credit Dauphine was mentioned prominently in the second season premiere. It was of course a joke based around Victor Garber being in both series, but it was treated like a real entity. So I think we are supposed to conclude that its a big cosmic coincidence that Jack Bristow and Jordan Wethersby look identical. Or perhaps Jack, spy that he is, needed a new face at some point in his career and "stole" Wethersby's.
[User Picture]From: twick516
2009-02-07 02:33 pm (UTC)

Eli Stone

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Eli Stone also featured a character employed at The Work Bench, the home improvement super store from Reaper.
From: (Anonymous)
2008-11-21 03:37 pm (UTC)

do you think these should count

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My list currently has about 430 shows on it and combined with whats already on this site that makes over 800 shows connected. However there are still a few things I am on the fence about including.

For instince variety shows where a charicter played by the same person as the ragular show appeares. For instance the recent crossover between SNL and Mad Men where the whole cast appeared in caricter to meet with the two A-holes about there new invention

The next one is charicters that are in costume about apear as themselves like when Big Bird appeared as the conducter on Soul Man they treeted him like he was a real person and not just someone in a costume

Finaly Antholigy shows, alot of them have some intercontinuity elements and also have had shows spun-off from them.

I am A big wrestling fan and after alot of thinking I decided to include wrestling crossovers if the wrestlers do not brake kayfabe of other shows, also I will include what program they were on at the time and any other programs by that promotion and a promotion that they eather crossed over with or merged with.

what do you think of these

RAF
From: (Anonymous)
2008-11-24 02:44 pm (UTC)

Re: do you think these should count

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Personally, I count both Anthology and Variety shows (I think of them as being sort of "umbrella" titles, where those things within them all link). As such, I connect Mama's Family with Carol Burnett and Honeymooners with Cavalcade of Stars and other Gleason specials, just as I connect components from an anthology. (Of course, I count The Simpsons alongside Tracey Ullman Show, but I connect animation and live action.) I also agree with counting wrestlers--if they are playing their "character," it's a crossover in my book (whether the crossover involves a wrestling plot or not).

As for your question about Big Bird, I consider the Muppets to be characters. One of these days, I'll put together a list of all of the options with Muppet crossovers (just their own series jumps the list considerably). I knew about the Soul Man episode but didn't realize it was treated that way--definitely a crossover in my book. More debateable would be the episode of West Wing--they only refer to Big Bird as a character, but a)it acknowledges Sesame Street as a TV show, and b)that was mainly because Caroll Spinney insists it will destroy the illusion for children if he appears outside of the suit. I argue that the Cosby Show episode with Muppets is a definite link, either because of a tag scene at the end where Cliff's apparent dream turns out to be "real," or because of the dream motif and its connection to the Tommy-verse.

Just my thoughts,
Hugh
From: tele_toby
2008-11-26 06:49 am (UTC)

Re: do you think these should count

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Well, as most of you know, my little playground of Toobworld is different from the Westphallian Tommyverse in that I accept all shows are connected until proven otherwise. And if they're not connected, they're in their own alternate dimension (a la 'Sliders') where they could match up with some other show.

For Toobworld, variety shows from our world are usually considered variety shows in TV Land. Characters from sketches exist in a dimension I call "Skitlandia". If those characters show up in a sitcom or drama later, fine, then that incarnation is part of Toobworld. (A good example - Dan Aykroyd as the fridge repairman from a Nerds sketch on SNL showed up in an episode of 'The Nanny'.)

Just about every puppet from TV is considered alive, unless treated otherwise. I think the Muppets who appeared on 'The West Wing' are just puppets, not alive; but then again, 'The West Wing' is off in its own dimension due to the different President.

Bored you enough yet? LOL
From: (Anonymous)
2008-11-26 07:41 pm (UTC)

Re: do you think these should count

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Thanks Hugh and Toby I am going to include them on my list, which now has 485 shows on it, combined with the shows already listed this should put me over my goal of 1000 shows

by the way do you know of any other SNL crossovers besides the ones previously mentioned or spin-offs like the Naked Trucker and T-Bone Show

When I am finished with adding all these shows I am going to post the list on a site like tvtropes.org for every one to see

RAF
[User Picture]From: kchasm
2008-11-24 03:29 am (UTC)

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Unrelated to this post, but I had a question which I figured one of you would be able to answer, being so well-versed with crossovers and all.

(I'm about to make a fool out of myself; watch)

I read somewhere that Scott Bakula ended his reoccurring role on Murphy Brown by "leaping"--like his character on Quantum Leap. I don't know if this means he actual "leapt", or if it was just a metareference, in which case it wouldn't be a true crossover, of course--

Does anyone have any additional information? Perhaps a video clip?

Thanks.
From: tele_toby
2008-12-18 10:58 pm (UTC)

TV/Movie crossover!

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Anybody see 'Chuck' this week? Reginald VelJohnson appeared, reprising his role as Al Powell of the LA police from 'Die Hard'! The episode had a little of that 'Die Hard' vibe going for it as well.

Turns out Big Al is cousins with Big Mike who runs the Buy More. The casting for the role seems almost inevitable, but to have him also playing that role was sweet!
From: (Anonymous)
2009-01-18 02:55 am (UTC)

Re: TV/Movie crossover!

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That's awesome! I don't understand the rules against movies. I found some more stuff.
*Christopher Pike, the original captain of the Enterprise on Star Trek, was paged on the '80s show Buck Rogers in the 25th Century.
*The same episode paged Adam Strange, which raises weird questions of an actual comics crossover, but I resolved it by using Adam's appearance on Batman: The Brave and the Bold.
*Another one paged Norrin Radd, aka the Silver Surfer, drawing a connection to one of the televised versions of The Fantastic Four.
*One episode featured the fictional tv network, UBC, featured later on Galactica 1980.
*Obviously, Galactica 1980 is a spin-off of the original Battlestar Galactica.
*On a new tangent, since I allow cartoons, I delved into The Brady Kids, which spun-off Mission: Magic.
*TBK also had the Lone Ranger and Silver from The Tarzan/Lone Ranger Adventure Hour.
*Two more episodes featured Wonder Woman and Superman, both from the Superman/Aquaman Hour of Adventure.

That's just the tip of the iceberg on my cartoon findings.
Furthermore, I have a question. Isn't the whole Red Dwarf thing a parody? If so, why should it count any more than a variety show doing a crossover sketch? I'd really like an explanation.
From: johnmunch
2009-01-18 09:35 am (UTC)

Re: TV/Movie crossover!

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I am not too sure about cartoon shows myself. crossoverman is against including them (laziness? common sense? abject terror?) but probably just because of the sheer research volume their inclusion would involve.

As you may know I just count character connections and mostly disregard pagings except when they are confirming shows on the list.

Since this started out as a TV phenomenon, I strongly object to comic book connections. Movies are fine with me.

And I do count crossover sketches. Watch out for next update's SNL entry.
From: tele_toby
2009-02-18 06:40 am (UTC)

Playpen strikes again!

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New series on HBO, 'Eastbound & Down', premiered this past Sunday night. In one scene, the main character was lying in bed with an issue of Playpen magazine by his head.

Playpen has been seen in:

Homicide: Life On The Street
Ally McBeal
The X-Files
Millennium
Kyle XY
Family Guy
In Plain Sight
Lost

and probably a ton more. I'm pretty sure it has its own entry at Wikipedia......
From: tele_toby
2009-04-01 02:28 pm (UTC)

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'Castle' is in - last night's episode showed Rick Castle and his daughter checking out a review of his latest book on the website for the NY Ledger - the newspaper of the 'Law & Order' franchise.
From: (Anonymous)
2010-01-27 05:30 pm (UTC)

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He also portrayed the Pope on epidode 20 of Everybody Loves Raymond