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SERENITY flies into Tommy Westphall's Universe [Sep. 30th, 2005|12:28 pm]
Tommy Westphall's Mind: A Multiverse Explored


In honour of the release of Joss Whedon's feature directorial debut (and the first feature he's written that hasn't been re-written by others), we've updated The Tommy Westphall Universe to include the TV series that "Serenity" is based on - "Firefly".

First I called it a Non-Tommy Crossover.

Then came more trivial minutiae that links "Firefly" with "Angel". Thanks to oneyearoflove - and my own DVD copies of "Firefly" that confirmed it.

It's a confluence of movie references that speak to the odd and sometimes tenuous connections that Tommy's Mind makes. But fictional companies count as much as fictional people. At least in smashsc and my book.

In the rules we have created to keep the Crossover Grid focused on "ongoing narrative live action television series", we have discounted feature films. But it's worth acknowledging that some features do connect directly to the grid.

The 10 film Star Trek franchise connects to the Tommy Westphall universe through the Trek series who are connected to "The John Larroquette Show" and "Angel" via the fictional Yoyodyne company.

Yoyodyne brings in "Buckaroo Banzai Across the Eighth Dimension".

"Angel" connects directly to the Alien film franchise through the fictional company Weyland-Utani, which also brings in "Firefly" - because their company logo is clearly seen on the heads-up display on the machine gun Mal uses in the opening scene of the pilot.

Thus "Serenity" - which opened in Australia yesterday and the U.S. today - is also directly connected to Tommy Westphall's Mind.

Even if feature films are not yet on the grid...

Other features that link: "The X-Files" film (of course), "The Nanny" crossed over with "This Is Spinal Tap" and it could be argued that the original Buffy feature film tells the back story of Joss Whedon's series - maybe.

"Serenity" has opened to generally favourable and fresh critical reviews. Here's hoping the box office follows suit.

ETA: And, of course, Battlestar Galactica is drawn in because of the cameo of a Firefly-class ship...

[User Picture]From: willdevine
2005-09-29 08:01 pm (UTC)
Yes, Firefly is linked! This totally makes my day!
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2005-09-29 11:25 pm (UTC)
I know, and "Serenity" is here and everything!
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From: smashsc
2005-09-29 08:03 pm (UTC)
Even if feature films are not yet on the grid... (emphasis mine)

OMG partial victory! *loves*

Also, this update fills me with glee. Glee!
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2005-09-29 11:26 pm (UTC)
(emphasis mine)

Really? Emphasis yours? ;-)
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From: tele_toby
2005-09-29 08:34 pm (UTC)
~Other features that link: "The X-Files" film (of course), "The Nanny" crossed over with "This Is Spinal Tap" and it could be argued that the original Buffy feature film tells the back story of Joss Whedon's series - maybe.~

Speaking of 'The Nanny'... how do you two feel about connecting the Tommy Westphall to TV variety show sketches?

Specifically, I'm referring to the appearance of Dan Aykroyd as the buttcrack-baring refrigerator repairman in a cameo on 'The Nanny'. It was the same character he played in one of the "Nerds" sketches on 'Saturday Night Live'.

For Toobworld purposes, we'd accept it; but then like the real universe, we're just big and sloppy. But knowing how tightly you protect your concept, I was just curious.....

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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2005-09-29 11:23 pm (UTC)
We react badly to sketches :-)
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[User Picture]From: wattj
2005-09-30 04:41 am (UTC)
...and to The Simpsons, apparently, which has crossed over with The X-Files, and This Is Spinal Tap (among others).

If you're allowing feature films connected to the grid only by the /name/ of a fictional corporation (imagine what links you'd get if you allowed links via the name of Real corporations? Or real persons?) why not cartoons? And then... There's that mythical (I say mythical only because I've never seen it...) great crossover episode of... Was it Flaming Carrot? So perhaps comic books should stay out. :)
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2005-09-30 07:56 am (UTC)
Well real companies and real people kinda defeat the purpose. Why not real towns and real countries! Then everything is a part of Tommy's Mind. Case closed. No fun.

Cartoons are out because they don't really play by the same rules as live action series - so it's harder to know what to include and what to leave out. The line gets blurred and then you're letting everything in.

Same with comic books.

So live action ongoing narrative TV series remain the sole focus.
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[User Picture]From: wattj
2005-09-30 02:49 pm (UTC)
What about US Robotics? That was a fictional corporation before it was a real corporation...
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From: oneyearoflove
2005-10-02 02:26 pm (UTC)

Timeline of the Tommyverse

Do we have a chronology of the events in the Tommy Westphall Universe? The recent addition of shows that take place in the far future (the Star Treks, Firefly, Battlestar) have made me curious about the events that happen in each show in relationship to each other.
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2005-10-02 06:58 pm (UTC)

Re: Timeline of the Tommyverse

Oh, yes, that's what I need - more Tommy-related madness! ;-)

Just quickly:

Enterprise is set approx 150 years in our future
Classic Trek another 150 years beyond that
Next Gen, Deep Space Nine and Voyager another 80-90 years beyond that

Firefly is nominally set 500 years in the future but there are no references to actual years - none that are canonical, that is

Battlestar Galactica is set in an indeterminate time period in another part of the Galaxy.

So they don't really conflict too much - except in Trek there are aliens and in the other two series there are not!
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2005-10-04 06:56 pm (UTC)
You are right - wherever you go, there you are. But Buckaroo is connected to Trek via Yoyodyne anyway - which is how Trek and Angel are in the universe (via John Larroquette which also includes Yoyodyne).
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-08-14 03:29 pm (UTC)


I'm curious what everyone else thinks of this.
As mentioned in the wikipedia page on the miniseries, Battlestar Galactica featured not just a Firefly-class ship, but also an Enterprise. It's a heck of a lot harder to see, so it's no wonder that Poobala didn't notice it, but it's there.

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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2007-08-14 09:03 pm (UTC)


Well we've already got the Star Trek franchise in by other means - and the Firefly ship is pretty significant.
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