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Hang on to your snowglobes... [Aug. 4th, 2007|04:29 pm]
Tommy Westphall's Mind: A Multiverse Explored




I'm finally sifting through old emails, LJ notifications and tommywestphall to make sense of all the suggestions and queries since our last major update... six months ago!

Here we go...

Thanks to Thom Holbrook's site - details to a fully-fledged crossover between CSI: New York and Cold Case

Morley Cigarettes grabs four more series:

  • Nash Bridges
  • Prison Break
  • Space Above and Beyond
  • That 70s Show

The fictional Los Angeles Tribune brings in (via Lou Grant, which is already on the grid):

  • Columbo
  • Moonlighting
  • 24
  • Matt Huston
  • Wonder Woman
  • Remington Steele
  • City of Angels
  • Burke's Law (1994)

Columbo then brings in Mrs Columbo (and the various series she morphed into)

Moonlighting crossed over with Hart to Hart

Burke's Law (1994)
brings in its predecessors Burke's Law and Amos Burke - Secret Agent

The fictional Hudson University (originating with Law & Order) brings in:

  • Tru Calling
  • Without a Trace
(To answer a recent question, Hudson University also connects to the DC Universe series devised by Bruce Timm, as well as the DC comic universe itself)

The fictional Trans-Global Airlines (which actually originated in the Airport film series but got a mention on Matlock) brings in:

  • Young and the Restless
  • All My Children
  • Emergency

and possibly Quincy ME

Thanks to tele_toby and his research, we find...

The Young and the Restless brings in The Bold and the Beautiful and As the World Turns

All My Children
brings in General Hospital, One Life to Live, Port Charles and Loving

brings in Sierra and Adam 12

Adam 12 brings in Dragnet and Dragnet 67 (anyone know if Dragnet 67 is connected to the two revivals in the 80s and 90s?)


The Double Meat Corporation links Buffy the Vampire Slayer to the short-lived Andy Barker P.I.

The planet Gallifrey links Doctor Who with The Mighty Morphin Power Rangers which brings in the live action series Ninja Turtles the Next Mutation

And, finally, things that don't count...

Bernie Kopell did not appear as his Love Boat character on Fresh Prince of Bel Air, even though his character name was Doc

Columbo is not connected to Magnum P.I.

And the fictional magazine The National Inquisitor is currently being left out of the Westphall-verse to allow for more research on the subject.

That's an additional 35 series. The Grid and Key have not been updated yet. Let's discuss this compiled list and see if they have unearthed any further connections to expand the Tommy Westphall Universe.

[User Picture]From: buffyannotater
2007-08-04 07:51 am (UTC)

Speaking of soaps...

Do you have the Passions/Las Vegas crossover on the list?
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2007-08-04 12:28 pm (UTC)

Re: Speaking of soaps...

Yes :-)

We really need an online list and not just a file to download...
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From: johnmunch
2007-08-04 10:20 am (UTC)

Literary Spin-off

Burke's Law also brings in Honey West, supposedly based on a series of private eye novels.

Re Dragnet: The '90s verion is connected in that it is supposed to be the same Joe Friday - which is somewhat ridiculous. In a similar vein, Adam West's Batman bears no resemblance to the Keaton or Bale version so I would not include them (yeah, yeah, they're movies, I know. So sue me).

TGA and/or the LA Tribune do not stir me that much. For that matter: Were the airline or the newspaper included as references to previous appearances, or were they simply re-invented every time? Meaning: The mental leap from TWA to TGA is a very small one, for example, so it is possible that TGA was re-invented again and again, apart from the obvious cases when the airline was used in shows which were already connected by solid - that is: character - crossovers.
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2007-08-04 12:33 pm (UTC)

Re: Literary Spin-off

We've already admitted Oceanic Airlines, so unless I was to go back and remove that, Trans Global and the LA Tribune stay. Almost certainly the LA Tribune is a reference to Lou Grant since that was the setting for the series.

Trans Global has as much right as Oceanic to claim Tommy's mental real-estate.

Thanks for the Honey West connection!
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2007-08-04 01:19 pm (UTC)
There's also a show called Masked Rider that was spun-off from Power Rangers
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-08-04 01:26 pm (UTC)
"Adam 12 brings in Dragnet and Dragnet 67 (anyone know if Dragnet 67 is connected to the two revivals in the 80s and 90s?)"
I actually don't think they were related. There was also a late 1980s revival of Adam 12, but I think those were reboots and not sequels.

If you're looking for upping the count, Wonder Woman was virtually two series, with a revamp from season one to two (changing from the 1940s setting to modern day).

And speaking of superhero shows, "(To answer a recent question, Hudson University also connects to the DC Universe series devised by Bruce Timm, as well as the DC comic universe itself)"--how ironic: I was the one who sent in the Hudson University info, only to forget that it gave a link to animation. By the way, I teach, so I won't get anything done for awhile (we are starting a new year), but I will start working on an animated, Muppet, and beyond collection of links.

Aren't the various Power Rangers shows all different series in a linked universe, or are they reboots?

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[User Picture]From: admiralmemo
2007-09-21 05:28 am (UTC)
Power Rangers are all (or at least almost all) in a shared universe, basically due to the character of Tommy Oliver. I can confirm that everything from the original Mighty Morphin Power Rangers up to Power Rangers: Space Patrol Delta shares a universe. I assume, but can't confirm, that Mystic Force, Operation Overdrive, or Jungle Fury are also in the same setting.

Also, there is debate as to whether the episode "Forever Red" is canon. If so, it alone ties together everything from Mighty Morphin to Wild Force together.
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2007-08-04 01:34 pm (UTC)
Wonder Woman was basically two different shows, but for this purpose they can remain one... it's an odd example!

Power Rangers are all linked. Basically the title changed with each season... but really, they are all "Power Rangers".

And even if it's not for a while, I'd love to see a Tommy Westphall spin-off of animated, Muppet connections... and if someone (else?) wanted to attempt it - movies!
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-08-04 08:50 pm (UTC)

Expanding the Multi-Verse

I'll take that challenge. My own way of linking shows allows them to go through movies (so, for example, Alias Jesse James allows a cross for several TV westerns), and I definitely would use Muppets and animated means (I'm even fine with Father Guido and Pro-Wrestlers, to pick up comments others have made up here), so long as there is an intent to make a connection through fictional productions.

I love (because of its almost absurdity) that Doctor Who can bring in MMPR, just showing how varied this system can be. I have been thinking about the "Dimensions in Time" special that suggests a connection between DW & Eastenders. I know "DiT" isn't considered "canon" for DW, but, then again, neither are appearances by the TARDIS in Red Dwarf or Chelmsford 123 either. Plus, one DW novel hints that it is all a bad dream by the 7th Doctor, the perfect complement to Tommy's visions. There is a CD series called "Kaldor City" that connects characters from "Robots of Death" (a Tom Baker-era serial) with Blake's 7 (both are written by Chris Boucher). It's too bad JMS never pulled off the crossover he had wanted to with Babylon 5 and DW, or that would be a wonderful link.

Hugh (who promises, even if it takes a while, to dust off his notes and put a collection together)
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-08-04 04:11 pm (UTC)

a few things

thanks for the update crossoverman

First I think the National Inquisitor should be in, because it's office was the setting of the tv show The Naked Truth, like the LA Tribune was in Lou Grant (I am not just saying this because I did most of the research for the inquisitor)

Also I remember reading either here or at Toobworld that there was some connection between Columbo and Murder, She Wrote, do you know what it was

TGA also appeared on Miami Vice

A connection was also found between Sports Night and the West Wing through the Shearson company

Finally a new possible connection, people from Mission Impossible, The Avengers, and I Spy appeared as retired spies on a show called Spy Games.

I hope this helps some with finding connections

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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2007-08-05 12:14 am (UTC)

Re: a few things

Well, the National Inquisitor predates The Naked Truth and is most likely just another name for the National Inquirer. I'm still not saying no to it, just putting it aside for now.

Not sure about the Columbo/Murder She Wrote connection.

Thanks for the Miami Vice heads-up!

Will research Spy Games...

Any further info about the Shearson Company? I don't remember them in the West Wing...
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[User Picture]From: jeb1981
2007-08-04 04:58 pm (UTC)
Gallifrey was mentioned on Power Rangers? When?
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2007-08-05 12:17 am (UTC)
Actually, Gallifrey itself is not mentioned, but its co-ordinates and the constellation of Kasterborous are. The quote is lifted directly from on Old School Who episode.
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From: tele_toby
2007-08-06 04:41 am (UTC)
Aired pilots for shows that never came to fruition count, right? Because if so, you should add 'Lookwell' to the list because of the L.A. Tribune. When I get back from vacation, I'll send you a nice screen grab of it with Adam West as Lookwell.
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2007-08-06 05:27 am (UTC)
Aired pilots count. Looking forward to Lookwell :-)
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From: (Anonymous)
2007-08-29 02:48 pm (UTC)
Power Rangers brings in the Japanese series it was adapted from, Super Sentai http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_sentai

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From: johnmunch
2007-09-03 09:39 am (UTC)

Another Jack Webb show

Adam-12 had a short-lived spin-off, The D.A., starring Robert Conrad as Deputy DA Paul Ryan. Apparently, that one started as a full-fledged pilot movie with the 15-episode show trailing behind in the 1971-1972 season with a x-over in the GAyda episode. To complicate matters even more, Paul Ryan was portrayed earlier by a different actor in Adam-12. Info taken from CTVA - tv.com barely managed an episode list.
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From: (Anonymous)
2008-03-08 11:59 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure whether this works, but Rev. Al Sharpton guest starred as himself in Boston Legal, a number of shows that are already on the list, but also makes a guest star as himself in My Wife and Kids, something I couldn't find on the list. It also makes the possibility that IRL is fictional too.
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2008-03-09 12:28 am (UTC)
Cameos by real people do not create fictional links.
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From: dewline
2009-09-26 02:30 pm (UTC)
Hudson University started out in the print version of the DCU, and got imported for TV purposes later. Its host community is New Carthage, NY, near the Albany-Schnectady-Troy region, FYI.
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From: ext_228992
2010-03-24 02:28 pm (UTC)

A bigger soap universe

The Young & Restless Trans-Global airlines link opens up a MUCH huger soap universe. It is too extensive to document here, but I've created two blog posts that try to illustrate this:

A simplied figure:


The gory details:


If someone can use this to show me how the ABC soaps (in orange) might get linked up to the CBS/NBC soaps (in blue), I'd be very thankful. They may not be joinable, but I'd love that.
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From: (Anonymous)
2010-09-05 07:41 pm (UTC)

3 years in and still no screen shots

The fictional Los Angeles Tribune from Lou Grant needs to be shown, then the papers with the same titles from the other series shown.

There are 3 different packages for Morley's so please get screen shots to compare them. The red/white pack looks like Marlboro's is a lot of place, the white pack is in a few things, the red pack has only been seen once or twice.

The fictional Hudson University needs to be further validated by having something more in common than the college's name. If there is a shared professor or collegiate location (a dorm or building name), then count the cross. Hudson College is just too vague for shows in NY.

So for shared items, we need screen shots! Prove it is the same with pictures, please????
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[User Picture]From: crossoverman
2010-09-05 09:06 pm (UTC)

Re: 3 years in and still no screen shots

Or, you know, relax and have fun!
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